Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Mantic Plus Kickstarters Means Someone gets Screwed

Mantic just put out an update for the Dungeon Saga Kickstarter. Way down at the bottom in their is a throw away type annoucement with no details really that says:  

Please be aware that there may be some unique items that we are unable to get hold of. If this is the case, we will be in touch with you once we’ve confirmed what stock we won’t have, and will offer an alternative.

So in effect they are saying that some people just might not be getting certain things. They will not make more. They can claim cannot but that is almost never true for something you made 6 months ago. You can always make more of something its just the cost is not reasonable for you to do it. They would rather just screw those customers out of most likely the kickstarter exclusive stuff. Nice Job Mantic. Way to step up and fix your mistakes.

Mantic Kickstarters are like an inverse lottery where most people do fine but a select few win.  If you win you prize disappears down a never ending whole of horrible kickstarter delivery and customer service issues.

Tuesday, January 5, 2016

Mantic's Latest


Mantic has announced their next project which will probably be a kickstarter that has not launched yet.  Now Mantic and I do not have what I would call a good relationship.  I value things like communication, follow through, and honesty.  Not sure for Mantic.  If you are not sure what I am talking about you should take a look at my discussion for all the missing stuff that was promised for the dungeon saga kickstarter.  Another great place for information is the Dungeon Saga Kickstarter page where plenty of people report very little response from mantic on missing pledges and parts more than 2 months after shipping started.

I have followed these comments closely and have made plenty myself.  I will personally say that I have seen Mantic misinform backers about checkable things in the comments section and go silent when corrected.  That fact itself speaks to my opinion of their values. 

Now if you love the license Mantic's games are not bad and they do often give you a pile of stuff for your money but you are never going to be sure if the part they think is important and worth putting effort into is what you think it is.  The main reason you pledged might turn up in a form that requires pages of FAQ before you can even try to use it.

Tuesday, November 24, 2015

Dungeon Saga Kickstarter Carton A and Individual Expansion Master Lists

Dungeon Saga – Carton A

Here is the detailed content list that Mantic was not willing to provide and was instead assembled through a group effort of the community.  It is almost like Mantic did not want to make it easy to check things off.  You may have more than 1 bag of tile clips.

Top Box Special Add On Extras, Invoice, Basic Packing List

Card Board Box-
         Character Pad
         Adventurer's Companion Card Decks 1,2,3,4,5 Game Card 251 plus 5 Label Cards
                        59*Items
                        62*Spells
                        6*Songs
                        10*Traps
                        13*Overlord
                        24*Invisible Overlord
                        24*Events
                        40*Uncharted Dungeons
                        13*Locations
         Return of Valandor Card Deck 35 Game Cards Plus 1 Label Card
                        5*Items
                        8*Spells
                        1*Songs
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        12*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations
         Miniatures:
                Kickstarter Exclusives:
                        Resin Multipart Keldan (Elf Demonhunter) & Loose Base

                        Exclusives Plastic Character Pack: 3 Grey Plastic Models
                        Blaine (Outworlder)
                        Hordin & Gnasher (Dwarf Barman and Dog)
                        Logan (Halfling Fighter)

               Bonus Heroes: 6 Total in 3 Bags of 2
                       Ally (Blue Plastic Halfling Thief)
                       Ibrahim(Blue Plastic Human Paladin)

                       Venetia (Blue Plastic Human Cleric)
                       Arianya (Blue Plastic Naiad Demonhunter)

                      Hrrath (Blue Plastic Salamander Fighter)
                      Kapoka (Blue Plastic Gladewalker Druid)

              Valandor Character Expansion Pack: 2 Large Grey Plastic Models
                      Valandor (Large Elohi Warrior)
                      Ba'el (Undead Demon Lord)

               1*Evil Dead Pack (9 Bone Plastic)
                      1 Zombie Troll
                      1 Armoured Zombie
                      1 Skeleton Archer
                      2 Skeleton Warriors
                      2 Zombies
                      1 Dwarf Revenant
                      1 Ghost

             1*Green Rage Packs (9 Green Plastic Models)
                      1 Troll
                      1 Orc Skulk
                      1 Goblin Archer
                      1 Mawbeast
                      2 Goblin Warriors
                      1 Orcling Stand
                      1 Orc Greatax
                      1 Orc Morax

             1*Denizens of the Abyss Packs (9 Red Plastic Models)
                      1 Moloch
                      1 Effrit
                      1 Hellhound
                      1 Succubus
                      1 Tortured Soul
                      1 Abyssal Warrior
                      3 Lower Abyssals

Plastic Printed Materials Bag

             The Dungeon Journal
             The Adventurer's Companion (Softback)
             Adventurer's Companion Token Sheets (1 Trap Sheet, 1 Marker Sheet)
             Art Print

             The Return of Valandor Expansion Printed Materials
                      The Return of Valandor Quest Book
                      The Return of Valandor Floor Tiles (3 A,B,C)
                      2 Hero Cards
                                  Ba'el
                                  Spirit of Valandor

Dungeon Saga – Core Game Book Box

         Assorted Plastic Bags
         Quick Start Guide Leaflet
         Dungeon Saga: Dwarf Kings Quest Rules -Softcover
         Dungeon Saga: Dwarf Kings Quest Book-Softcover
         Necromancer Overlord Panel
         Dice Pack
                6 Blue Dice
                6 Bone Dice
         Bag of floor clips

         Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                2 Double Doors
                2 Rectangular Single Doors
                2 Rounded Single Doors
                2 Arched Single Doors
                2 Portcullis Doors

        Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                1 Bookcase
                1 Apothecary's Armoire
                1 Throne
                1 Armour Rack
                1 Well
                1 Lectern
                1 Book
                1 Large Rectangular Container(Dwarf Tomb)

       Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
               4 Chest Lids
               4 Barrels

       Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6 Brown Plastic Pieces)
              4 Chests
              2 Trestle Tables

       Heroes Pack: Bag of 4 Blue Plastic Models
              Orlaf (Human Barbarian)
              Danor (Human Wizard)
              Rordin (Dwarf Fighter)
              Madriga (Elf Ranger)

      Bosses Pack: Bag of 4 Grey Plastic Models
              Hoggar (Undead Troll Shaman)
              Mortibris (Necromancer)
              Elshara (Banshee)
              Grund (Undead Dwarf King)

     2* Evil Dead Pack: (2 Bags of 9 Bone Plastic Models 18 Total)
             2*1 Zombie Troll
             2*1 Armoured Zombie
             2*1 Skeleton Archer
             2*2 Skeleton Warriors
             2*2 Zombies
             2*1 Dwarf Revenant
             2*1 Ghost

      8 Hero Cards
             Grund
             Hoggar
             Elshara
             Mortibris
             Danor
             Madriga
             Rordin
             Orlaf

      Core Game Deck-58 Game Cards
            8 x Abilities
            23 x Items
            17 x Spells
            10 x Overlord

      Open These First Deck-20 Game Cards 1 Label Card
            4 x Spell cards
            4 x Item cards
            12 x Overlord cards (of which 3 are Necromantic)
            1 x 'Open This First' card (with 4 Mantic Points)

      Floor Tiles, Counters and Range Indicators-8 Unique Sheets Images Here




Individual Expansion Sets Contents Lists

If you order the separate expansions but not all three which would move you into a carton B box, these are their content lists.  They are not part of basic carton A just listed here as individual items for people getting them and wanting to check them off.

Warlord of Galahir Expansion:
 
             Warlord Expasion Character Pack (1Grey Plastic Model)
                      Thrundak (Dual Ax wielding Orc Warlord)

              2*Green Rage Packs (9 Green Plastic per Pack 18 Total )
                      2*1 Troll
                      2*1 Orc Skulk
                      2*1 Goblin Archer
                      2*1 Mawbeast
                      2*2 Goblin Warriors
                      2*1 Orcling Stand
                      2*1 Orc Greatax
                      2*1 Orc Morax

            The Warlord of Galahir Printed Materials
                     Orc Warlord Overlord Panel
                     The Warlord of Galahir Quest Book
                     Warlord of Galahir Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                     6 Hero Cards
                            Pietor the Merchant
                            Thesilar
                            Hrrath
                            Kapoka
                            Thrundak "Skull Splitter"
                            Guraf
                    The Warlord of Galahir Card Deck 49 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        6*Abilities
                        4*Items
                        9*Spells
                        9*Overlord
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        12*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations


Infernal Crypts Expansion:

             Infernal Crypts Character Pack (1 Grey Plastic Model)
                      Drech'nok (Winged Abyssal Lord)

             2*Denizens of the Abyss Packs (9 Red Plastic per Pack 18 Total)
                      2*1 Moloch
                      2*1 Effrit
                      2*1 Hellhound
                      2*1 Succubus
                      2*1 Tortured Soul
                      2*1 Abyssal Warrior
                      2*3 Lower Abyssals

         The Infernal Crypts Printed Materials
                     Lord of the Abyss Overlord Panel
                    The Infernal Crypts Quest Book
                    The Infernal Crypts Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                    5 Hero Cards
                            Semential
                            Venetia
                            Drech'nok
                           Arianya
                           Ragran
                    The Infernal Crypts Card Deck 49 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        3*Abilities
                        9*Items
                        13*Spells
                        9*Overlord
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        6*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

Tyrant of Halpi Expansion: 
         Karathor the Unbroken Dragon 3 Pieces Loose

         Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Doors)
                      2 Double Doors
                      2 Rectangular Single Doors
                      2 Rounded Single Doors
                      2 Arched Single Doors
                      2 Portcullis Doors

            Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      1 Bookcase
                      1 Apothecary's Armoire
                      1 Throne
                      1 Armour Rack
                      1 Well
                      1 Lectern
                      1 Book
                      1 Large Rectangular Container(Dwarf Tomb)

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      4 Chest Lids
                      4 Barrels

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                     4 Chests
                     2 Trestle Tables

          The Tyrant of Halpi Printed Materials
                    Tyrant of Halpi Overlord Panel
                    The Tyrant of Halpi Quest Book
                    Tyrant of Halpi Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                    4 Hero Cards
                            Brellin
                            Ally
                            Ibrahim
                            Tharn
                     The Tyrant of Halpi Card Deck 57 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        4*Abilities
                        9*Items
                        11*Spells
                        2*Songs
                        9*Overlord
                        3*Tyrant Attack
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        10*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

Halls of Dolgarth Tile Pack Expansion
         8 Sheets of Tiles and Counters All different but same as those in the Core Set.
         Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Doors)
                      2 Double Doors
                      2 Rectangular Single Doors
                      2 Rounded Single Doors
                      2 Arched Single Doors
                      2 Portcullis Doors

            Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      1 Bookcase
                      1 Apothecary's Armoire
                      1 Throne
                      1 Armour Rack
                      1 Well
                      1 Lectern
                      1 Book
                      1 Large Rectangular Container(Dwarf Tomb)

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      4 Chest Lids
                      4 Barrels

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                     4 Chests
                     2 Trestle Tables

Black Fortress Tile Pack Expansion
         7 Sheets of Tiles 
         Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Doors)
                      2 Double Doors
                      2 Rectangular Single Doors
                      2 Rounded Single Doors
                      2 Arched Single Doors
                      2 Portcullis Doors

            Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      1 Bookcase
                      1 Apothecary's Armoire
                      1 Throne
                      1 Armour Rack
                      1 Well
                      1 Lectern
                      1 Book
                      1 Large Rectangular Container(Dwarf Tomb)

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      4 Chest Lids
                      4 Barrels

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                     4 Chests
                     2 Trestle Tables


List based on one created by James Caldow with organization taken from watching Madlad Designs Unboxing on Youtube.  Photos linked for WoffBoot Chronicles Carton B Unboxing.

Dungeon Saga Carton B Master Content List

Dungeon Saga – Carton B

Here is the detailed content list that Mantic was not willing to provide and was instead assembled through a group effort of the community.  It is almost like Mantic did not want to make it easy to check things off.  You may have more than 1 bag of tile clips.

Top Box Special Add On Extras, Invoice, Basic Packing List

Card Board Box-
         Character Pad
         Adventurer's Companion Card Decks 1,2,3,4,5 Game Card 251 plus 5 Label Cards
                        59*Items
                        62*Spells
                        6*Songs
                        10*Traps
                        13*Overlord
                        24*Invisible Overlord
                        24*Events
                        40*Uncharted Dungeons
                        13*Locations
         Return of Valandor Card Deck 35 Game Cards Plus 1 Label Card
                        5*Items
                        8*Spells
                        1*Songs
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        12*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

         Miniatures:
                Kickstarter Exclusives:
                        Resin Multipart Keldan (Elf Demonhunter) and Loose Base

                        Exclusives Plastic Character Pack: 3 Grey Plastic Models
                        Blaine (Outworlder)
                        Hordin & Gnasher (Dwarf Barman and Dog)
                        Logan (Halfling Fighter)

               Bonus Heroes: 6 Total in 3 Bags of 2
                       Ally (Blue Plastic Halfling Thief)
                       Ibrahim(Blue Plastic Human Paladin)

                       Venetia (Blue Plastic Human Cleric)
                       Arianya (Blue Plastic Naiad Demonhunter)

                      Hrrath (Blue Plastic Salamander Fighter)
                      Kapoka (Blue Plastic Gladewalker Druid)

              Valandor Character Expansion Pack: 2 Large Grey Plastic Models
                      Valandor (Large Elohi Warrior)
                      Ba'el (Undead Demon Lord)

               1*Evil Dead Pack (9 Bone Plastic)
                      1 Zombie Troll
                      1 Armoured Zombie
                      1 Skeleton Archer
                      2 Skeleton Warriors
                      2 Zombies
                      1 Dwarf Revenant
                      1 Ghost

             Warlord Expasion Character Pack (1 Grey Plastic Model)
                      Thrundak (Dual Ax wielding Orc Warlord)

              3*Green Rage Packs (9 Green Plastic per Pack 27 Total 1 DM+2Warlord)
                      3*1 Troll
                      3*1 Orc Skulk
                      3*1 Goblin Archer
                      3*1 Mawbeast
                      3*2 Goblin Warriors
                      3*1 Orcling Stand
                      3*1 Orc Greatax
                      3*1 Orc Morax

             Infernal Crypts Character Pack (1 Grey Plastic Model)
                      Drech'nok (Winged Abyssal Lord)

             3*Denizens of the Abyss Packs (9 Red Plastic per Pack 27 Total 1DM+2Crypyts)
                      3*1 Moloch
                      3*1 Effrit
                      3*1 Hellhound
                      3*1 Succubus
                      3*1 Tortured Soul
                      3*1 Abyssal Warrior
                      3*3 Lower Abyssals

             Karathor the Unbroken Dragon 3 Pieces Loose

Plastic Printed Materials Bag

             The Dungeon Journal
             The Adventurer's Companion (Hardback)
             Adventurer's Companion Token Sheets (1 Trap Sheet, 1 Marker Sheet)
             Art Print

             The Return of Valandor Expansion Printed Materials
                      The Return of Valandor Quest Book
                      The Return of Valandor Floor Tiles (3 A,B,C)
                      2 Hero Cards
                                  Ba'el
                                  Spirit of Valandor

Kickstarter Exclusive Book Box

            Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Doors)
                      2 Double Doors
                      2 Rectangular Single Doors
                      2 Rounded Single Doors
                      2 Arched Single Doors
                      2 Portcullis Doors

            Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      1 Bookcase
                      1 Apothecary's Armoire
                      1 Throne
                      1 Armour Rack
                      1 Well
                      1 Lectern
                      1 Book
                      1 Large Rectangular Container (Dwarf Tomb)

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                      4 Chest Lids
                      4 Barrels

            Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                     4 Chests
                     2 Trestle Tables

            The Warlord of Galahir Printed Materials
                     Orc Warlord Overlord Panel
                     The Warlord of Galahir Quest Book
                     Warlord of Galahir Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                     6 Hero Cards
                            Pietor the Merchant
                            Thesilar
                            Hrrath
                            Kapoka
                            Thrundak "Skull Splitter"
                            Guraf
                    The Warlord of Galahir Card Deck 49 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        6*Abilities
                        4*Items
                        9*Spells
                        9*Overlord
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        12*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

          The Tyrant of Halpi Printed Materials
                    Tyrant of Halpi Overlord Panel
                    The Tyrant of Halpi Quest Book
                    Tyrant of Halpi Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                    4 Hero Cards
                            Brellin
                            Ally
                            Ibrahim
                            Tharn
                     The Tyrant of Halpi Card Deck 57 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        4*Abilities
                        9*Items
                        11*Spells
                        2*Songs
                        9*Overlord
                        3*Tyrant Attack
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        10*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

         The Infernal Crypts Printed Materials
                     Lord of the Abyss Overlord Panel
                    The Infernal Crypts Quest Book
                    The Infernal Crypts Floor Tiles (3 Sheets)
                    5 Hero Cards
                            Semential
                            Venetia
                            Drech'nok
                           Arianya
                           Ragran
                    The Infernal Crypts Card Deck 49 Game Cards 1 Label Card
                        3*Abilities
                        9*Items
                        13*Spells
                        9*Overlord
                        6*Invisible Overlord
                        6*Uncharted Dungeons
                        3*Locations

Dungeon Saga – Core Game Book Box

         Assorted Plastic Bags
         Quick Start Guide Leaflet
         Dungeon Saga: Dwarf Kings Quest Rules -Softcover
         Dungeon Saga: Dwarf Kings Quest Book-Softcover
         Necromancer Overlord Panel
         Dice Pack
                6 Blue Dice
                6 Bone Dice
         Bag of floor clips

         Door Bag (10 Brown Plastic Pieces)
                2 Double Doors
                2 Rectangular Single Doors
                2 Rounded Single Doors
                2 Arched Single Doors
                2 Portcullis Doors

        Large Dungeon Furniture Bag (8 BrownPlastic Pieces)
                1 Bookcase
                1 Apothecary's Armoire
                1 Throne
                1 Armour Rack
                1 Well
                1 Lectern
                1 Book
                1 Large Rectangular Container(Dwarf Tomb)

       Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 1 (8Brown Plastic Pieces)
               4 Chest Lids
               4 Barrels

       Small Dungeon Furniture Bag 2 (6Brown Plastic Pieces)
              4 Chests
              2 Trestle Tables

       Heroes Pack: Bag of 4 Blue PlasticModels
              Orlaf (Human Barbarian)
              Danor (Human Wizard)
              Rordin (Dwarf Fighter)
              Madriga (Elf Ranger)

      Bosses Pack: Bag of 4 Grey PlasticModels
              Hoggar (Undead Troll Shaman)
              Mortibris (Necromancer)
              Elshara (Banshee)
              Grund (Undead Dwarf King)

     2* Evil Dead Pack: (2 Bags of 9 BonePlastic Models 18 Total)
             2*1 Zombie Troll
             2*1 Armoured Zombie
             2*1 Skeleton Archer
             2*2 Skeleton Warriors
             2*2 Zombies
             2*1 Dwarf Revenant
             2*1 Ghost

      8 Hero Cards
             Grund
             Hoggar
             Elshara
             Mortibris
             Danor
             Madriga
             Rordin
             Orlaf

      Core Game Deck-58 Game Cards
            8 x Abilities
            23 x Items
            17 x Spells
            10 x Overlord
      Open These First Deck-20 Game Cards 1 Label Card
            4 x Spell cards
            4 x Item cards
            12 x Overlord cards (of which 3 are Necromantic)
            1 x 'Open This First' card (with 4 Mantic Points)

      Floor Tiles, Counters and Range Indicators-8 Unique Sheets Images Here



List based on one created by James Caldow with organization taken from watching Madlad Designs Unboxing on Youtube.  Photos linked for WoffBoot Chronicles Carton B Unboxing.